I have been up on windy hill,where i took my two stable hands,they had not been looking after my horses properly,so they both needed punishment. This stable hand,had not been leaving out the water so his hands must be punished, I take both heavy duty leather straps and strap him across his sides,he drops like a lead balloon,then i give him numerous thrashings on his hands,its very painful and he cannot take it,but i do not care,he will take what i inflict,through the wind and his moans and his crys for me to stop,i just carry on. Athena