I had two silly males who thought they did not have to abide by my rules,which is something one must never do,as it can lead you into so much trouble. So today i took them both down to the shower block,and after punishing one on the way down,i stand the other under the freezing cold shower,where i whip him with the bull whip. He is the subjected to a thrashing with the heavy leather flogger and then the black flex whip,he under goes a cruel hard punishment for his actions.Athena